有哪些比较好的留学文书修改机构值得推荐?

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匿名用户   | 2018-10-7 00:10:06 发帖IP地址来自
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offermax  3级会员 | 2018-10-7 00:10:07 发帖IP地址来自
作为业内人士,我的观点:不推荐找留学机构改,改出来的东西,事实上只是蜻蜓点水,只图让学生满意而已。建议找认识的、英语水平高的人来改,更放心(文末会讲具体如何操作)
论述:
1. 笔者曾在高峰期润色过许多稿子,有一个高端case(主申top 10)留学机构写作主管提了个奇怪的要求,让我打“英文批注”。后来才了解到,顾问承诺学生找的“外籍审校”修改,因为是申的都是top 10 学校,但事实上文字是我改的 (虽然我不认为做得比“外籍审校”差,但我并不是外籍人士)。
看下面的我写的英文批注,你能识别出我不是native speaker吗?




2. 对于大机构承诺的“深度润色”一定要谨慎!从产品差异化的角度来讲,一个公司推出的产品肯定分为不同系列,功用上有所差异,消费都才买帐,才会愿意掏钱。
这个原理同样适用于机构,机构的通常广告词包括“海外博士、研究生团队”,“外籍专家”,这两个广告词也是学生最愿意买账的。
我们一个一个分析,“海外博士、研究生团队”有可能就是通过这个机构出国去的学生(某机构内人员聊天时说的),那么问题来了:这些人本身都是通过中介拿到的offer,自己都没有能力自己做申请,你觉得可以依靠他们吗?
“外籍专家”,大一点的中介都喜欢雇佣一两个外籍人士,如果你留心就会发现,大部分比较年轻,通常小伙子多一些。这些人有的只是兼职留学生而已,只是撑撑场面。写作人员如果拿个文书问他们,他们通常蜻蜓点水改几笔,加点小词,生僻的小表达,让人觉得高大上。很少有能提供逻辑意见的,通篇大改的就更少了。
机构比你想像得更在乎成本,轻易不会将活儿包出去,这点我深有体会。比如只有他们搞不定的学生,才会找到我。其他时候,只要内部能搞定,肯定是用内部人员省钱啊。但承诺这东西是不靠谱的,除非你坐在他说的外籍人员身边,看着一笔一笔改,边改边讨论,但没有哪家中介会这么做,成本太高,吃掉了利润。

建议
修改最终还是落实到具体一个人身上,所以要定位到合适的人。
也可以找大学里的翻译老师,他们是你信得过的人。如果担心他们没申请经验,可以让他们把关语言,问机构要来文字,找你信得过、英语水平高(不是平常说英语好或者雅思托福高分的同学,那还不够高)的人来把关。

用下图说明,找到正确的一个人,而不是一群人。

再附上一个实例(出于隐私考虑,文字内容模糊化了)
这个图是学生找的“专注文书修改”机构中的一个“美籍华人”(学生这么跟我说的)改过,其实学生自己挺满意,但通过熟人找到我把关,我就再改了一遍,批注是我打的,标红是我加的。还有很多,内容以后我文章里会晒,回答里就不多发了吧。

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签了中介,想防坑防骗的,自己想DIY的,可以关注我知乎,最近开专栏写文章,手把手教你各种实用写作tips。
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keiki  4级常客 | 2018-10-7 00:10:08 发帖IP地址来自
其实中介写的文书都大同小异,而且没有谁比你自己更了解你自己。
不过我还挺看好中介发放的一些『个人陈述信息表』,从某种程度上你可以发掘出一些你没有注意到的闪光点。毕竟他们也只能通过这样的方式去了解你呗。可以在网上找找有没有这种表下载的。
说说我自己的经验吧。
我当时出国就是找的中介,具体名字不提了,反正最后也是顺利申请到了喜欢的学校。
不过现在回过头来看了一下当时他们写的文书,的确有点唱高调,而且喜欢运用大长句。
我把个人陈述和推荐信拿给一位在英国教了很多年新闻写作和速记的大神和一位英国小哥(教英语的)看了下,大神第一反应是有些句式表达不能理解,语法基本上没有问题,最重要的问题是有些句子读不懂啊!英国小哥觉得英语表达不符合他们的阅读习惯,而且他也提到了调子起得高。我觉得和中国人从小的写作表达有关系,比较空,比较表面。
不过话说回来,我一直在想,就算中介的文书质量不算优良,但是还是能够申请到学校是为什么?
二硕的时候,文书是我自己弄的,让英国小哥帮我把关,润色修改(有偿),结果UCL我来了!!!小哥现在也在着手写文书和论文润色了,貌似生意还不错,不过我不做广告啦~~~如果有兴趣,我问问怎么联系他~让他申请个微信号什么的。
至于为什么没有找大神,因为!她忙啊!
反正一句话,和其他知乎大神们提到过的一样,文书在于表现而不是阐述,内容为王之后,一定也要注意我们的表达他们读不读的懂。
虽然不是干货,但是希望分享一下我的经历,可能对大家有帮助。
祝大家都好运啦~~~
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Nate  3级会员 | 2018-10-7 00:10:09 发帖IP地址来自
这个问题好多小机构呀,说实话我所知道真正牛的文案都在大机构的,大机构重金挖的文案不是说单个给你写文书,都包含在服务费里
全世界都是一个道理,贵有贵的好,文书的话你怎么着也要找3000美金以上的,不然…一整套文书赚个500块,谁好好给你改
找个靠谱的留学顾问做朋友吧,这样你所接触到的会是内部认可,而不是广告认可
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是个小可爱  4级常客 | 2018-10-7 00:10:10 发帖IP地址来自
  我也来自荐一下。我高中就读于当地的外国语高中,后外语保送至北航读英语,放弃保研资格,自己申请了香港科技大学对外英语专业,今年刚刚毕业。可以说从高中开始就一直专注于英语方面的学习。申请硕士时的雅思成绩是7.5分,阅读9分,写作7分。英语专业八级良好。在准备材料时也下了不少功夫。现在谈一点自己的经验。
  Personal Statement通常而言不超过500字,整体布局需要分为四大块,第一部分需要从选择你专业和学校的兴趣点切入,着重点出你的选校原因,整体内容尽量控制在100字以内。第二部分应该从你的学术背景出发,如果学校属于985/211类,应该在第二段第一句话着重点出,如果你的绩点很高,也应在段首强调,如果这些都没有,那么就选择本科教育中和所选专业最为贴近的课程,强调你在此课中学习到了哪些知识,并将会对你未来的学习起到什么作用。内容控制在200字左右。第三部分则应该从实践出发,即你做过哪些和申请专业相关的实习或志愿者经历,将你所经历的困难,解决问题的方法写出来,并强调你从中反思学习到了什么知识。,内容控制在150字左右。第四部分,总结你的学术或实践优势,并突出你的学习动机和热情。内容在100字左右,剩余50字做一个小小的结尾段。
  我所理解的personal statement就是需要你突出自己的学习优势或实践背景优势,给招生官一个选择你的理由。
至于推荐信的写法之后做补充。
欢迎大家找我咨询香港留学或写文书的事情哦。
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艾莉丝小站长  1级新秀 | 2018-10-7 00:10:11 发帖IP地址来自
自荐。但主要和大家分享一下具有普适性的鉴别方法,供参考。
强烈建议DIY申请者要充分利用每家文书机构的福利和讲座资源,多听多看,增加文书写作常识和辨别能力。另外,可以索要一些同专业的文书sample或者修改范例, 可以从sample上些许辨别出各家功夫,再或者看看能否领取免费试用,test一下文书机构水平。辨别能力和文书写作常识具备了,自然就能分辨出雌雄。
文书修改机构选择前要问清楚自己的需求:
  • 我的文书内容是否完整而饱满?是否表达了我全部的亮点经历和申请动机?
  • 我对即将申请的学校、领域和专业的理解是否到位?
  • 我的语言是否流畅、地道、清晰?
  • 我的整体逻辑是否合理,有无跳跃性?
如果对问题1、2的回答是No,那么建议你可以找一个同专业领域的中国老师 /导师/顾问/学长姐/不同机构称呼不同来给你做修改,这个修改的环节,最好能够包含沟通交流、充分探讨你的背景、你的申请动机、和你讲解此专业领域的情况以及职业发展情况,以及能够分析出为何要申请这个学校的项目。这个给你修改的人当然最好是要名校硕博毕业、有过DIY申请经验,对所要申请的领域了如指掌且英文能力不错。解决了1、2的问题,可以请一位外教帮你把语言改改,把中国式思维转换为西方思维和表达方式,把词汇改的丰富一些,总之就是让语言更native一些,把你想说的话说的更直白更clean一些。
如果你对1、2回答是YES,但对3、4问题很动摇。那么,你还不错!你的文书初稿是优秀的,你能够成功叙述你的相关的亮点经历、申请动机、职业发展规划、以及为何选此学校等等。那么你唯一需要的可能就是让一位负责的同专业领域的外国导师,为你进行一个语言的润色与修改,在这个过程中,外国导师可能会发现一些问题或者有小疑惑,那么最好是你能够和外国导师沟通,解决疑惑,更好的对文书进行润色,让表达更加清晰,让你的优点更加突出,让逻辑更加直接,最后就是美滋滋地收到最终文书稿件,然后提交,等待面试和offer。
如果你能够看到这里,相信你是真真的DIY申请者,而且对自己的文书很上心!或许现在的你是惶恐的、疑惑的、不解的,请不要担心,这是成功的DIY申请者必经之路。 文书作为申请环节这么有技术含量的一环,很多同学会考虑交给一些文书写作机构或者中介来做,作为DIY留学站长,我对此没有任何意见,只是希望给大家提个醒。
我们每年会有很多学生送来中介或者文书机构写的文书请求润色修改和评审,即使同学不提文书是中介写的,也能一眼看出中介文的痕迹,就像整容脸一样,怎么看都不像“天生的”,他们大多会有以下问题:(自己写文书的时候也请注意避免这些问题)
1. 用情不深,怎么看都想带着面具,无法改到产生“共情”,描述都很刻板和生硬,感情不够流畅自然。这样就会导致文书无趣,丝毫没有吸引力。
2. 蜻蜓点水
细节不突出,单纯描述一下下,『交代到这个点就ok』,其余,自行展开想象。因为中介毕竟不是你自己,无法舍身处理为你去想象。也可能是交流不够,导师细节挖掘不深。
3. 无法筛选学生亮点
在硬件背景条件趋同的申请大势下,从申请者无论丰富还是贫瘠的背景经历中提炼出和申请项目相关、和其他申请者有所不同、有趣、有创意的经历是文书创作的重中之重,也是首要一步。但很多学生写的文书通常像是简历的加长版,缺乏深层次的思考和对学生亮点的深入描述。这也是我司开发互动文书修改的原因,一定要沟通,才能串联前因后果,才能挖掘到『对的点』,去真情实感地highlight。
4. 缺失对专业的理解
这个问题的原因是由于修改者并不懂学生所要申请的专业或领域。例如,一个没有留学背景的英文系毕业的文书润色老师,就算英文写作流畅,却无法准确理解商业分析专业的原理、就业走向以及和学生背景之前的潜在联系,只能在浅薄理解基础上泛泛地写,有的甚至理解有偏差,就会影响整篇文书的专业程度。因此,修改者专业匹配很重要,学科五花八门,做到一一对应确实有困难,但是至少是同一个领域就很关键!
5. 中国式英文
很多文书机构用的老师都是国内英文系毕业,并没有真正到英文环境中生活,所以整个文书的表达充满了大量长难句的中国式英语语句。很多中介机构也并不会有外籍编辑进行文案的润色修改,导致整篇语言看起来流畅,甚至用到了很多高端词汇,但是在美国人看来确实废话连篇,丝毫不make sense.
所以,如果英语水平OK,时间充足,能自己写的还是自己写,毕竟这也是DIY的必经之路,写完后你肯定会有凤凰涅槃的感觉。但如果实在需要请机构帮你代笔,那么以上问题,请避免。
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留学专家王觉菊  2级吧友 | 2018-10-7 00:10:12 发帖IP地址来自
经验二轮,我觉得留学文书修改最关键是要结合申请人的申请方向和背景,能够提供背景包装和提升,及文书针对性设计方案级别的修改,才是真正的有用的修改。如果只是改改语言和辞藻,不能在整体上把握文书及对各个具体文件【一般是是简历、个人陈述,推荐信】进行有效的调整和优化,甚至包装。
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Sunshine   | 2018-10-7 00:10:13 发帖IP地址来自
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短腿猪  1级新秀 | 2018-10-7 00:10:14 发帖IP地址来自
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不是机构,互助式论坛,帮别人改两篇可以发一篇让别人改。除了我们这种写文书的,有专业人士在里面回复。
话说我也在申请中,希望用过文书机构的同学们看看这个网站,然后麻烦告诉我和机构比怎么样?谢谢大家啦

----一下是其中一个我觉得写的很好的例子------
原帖UChicago Essay Prompt: "Find X". (Wrote about my passion for computers and patterns)
UChicago Essay Prompt: "Find X". (Wrote about my passion for computers and patterns)
I would be very grateful for ANY feedback on my University of Chicago application essay. I was hoping for general feedback on the essay as a whole, such as whether it's impressive, how well it answers the prompt, what it says about me as a person, etc.
Thank you in advance! Anyway, here goes:

Prompt: Find X.

The crisscrossing lines of the letter x have always held a special place in our hearts. They represent the great mysteries, the family crest of knowledge and the unknown. From terrorizing algebra students to marking a pirate's gold, we have used the letter x to symbolize the most important, the most frightening, and the most fascinating things in our lives. To find x is to find a solution to a problem. For convenience, many choose to alter the semantics: the unfulfillment of one's dreams is the problem; the assumed solution is its realization. However, such dreams can suffer great change, even over short periods of time. In few cases do specific dreams persist for years, even fewer for decades. Therefore, accurate analysis of someone's character and essential motives requires a subtler metric: the direction in which that person's aspirations shift over time. Time is represented on graphs along the x-axis as the independent variable; it does not have its destiny determined: it determines the destiny of others. Extending the mathematical analogy, such the direction in which one's aspirations shift over time can be expressed as dx/dt, the change of x with respect to time. Personally, I can identify a theme of dreams within my own life: the continual refinement of the desire to connect ideas.

Although my early goals consisted mostly of basic and instinctive desires, my fascination with connections set me apart, even as a child. While my peers contented themselves with candy and stand-alone toys, I persistently sought after durable toys which retained complete compatibility with each other. Although similar desires are surely present in the minds of all children (as evidenced by the success of Legos), mine seemed to have been greater in degree; the very notion that I could create something original out of these combinations fascinated me. In my young eyes, almost everything worth knowing seemed to have an ancient answer; I saw no new frontier; thus, I married the creativity offered in these toys to youthful romanticism. As I grew, I began to channel this impractical idealism to academic subjects and computers, where meaningful and useful connections abounded all the more.

In elementary school, I met many brave new ideas, some of which profoundly altered my goals to come. Needless to say, the ideas which interested me tended to reside in my science books, and, as time progressed, I began to admire the physical sciences above all others. Despite the inherent superficiality of scientific explanations proffered in primary school, I still gleaned several meaningful connections. For instance, even oversimplified kinetic theory connected the mechanics of nature's essential particles to the movement of elastic balls on a macroscopic scale. The abundance of similar scientific models began to inhabit my mind, and soon enough I yearned to contribute to science. My fascination with connections became an obsession: I was intrigued the way molecules bond with each other to make up everything, how combinations of quarks make up molecules, and how these particles behaved on a quantum level. I held over-detailed dreams of my future as an engineer, astronomer, or entrepreneur. Although my x found no firm ground in these years, my dx/dt held fairly constant: I continued to delight in purer and purer webs of ideas.

When I dreamt of connections in the sciences, I regarded computers as a tool to relieve the imagination. As I studied elegant mathematical proofs and lines of code, the purity and relevance of each statement enthralled me. Every step of writing a program fit more perfectly than any toy and proved truer than any physical model. Perhaps most fascinating about computing, I found, was the fact that useful tools could be made with nothing but the symbols on my keyboard and a good bit of creativity. Independent mathematical and computational further solidified this realization. Indeed, without outside instruction, I had developed my own mobile user interface app; a mobile security software followed about a year afterwards. Although insignificant in the scheme of computing, these discoveries gave me a glimpse of freer and cleverer connections. I began to dream of a future career in involving computing, mathematics, and the physical sciences. The grand trend of my aspirations again settled in a realm better suited for connections.

At this time, I still hold dreams of achieving something of merit within the field of computers. Considering the hitherto enumerated experiences, however, my dreams may evolve to admire another field of study or expertise. That is, my x may still change in the future. Luckily, though, my dx/dt remains fairly constant: if I do change x, I will do so by setting my heart on a purer system of connections. Fortunately, the University of Chicago's Institute of Molecular Engineering provides an ideal environment in which my dreams can grow and develop without artificial restraint. At this school, I could potentially fall in love with nuclear physics, chemistry, or even biology and still graduate with competitive proficiency in the major and a prestigious degree. If, however, my x has permanently rested upon the connection of ideas; if I continue to delight in the search for mathematical patterns; Chicago gives me unlimited room to express myself, especially since it's one of the few universities with a molecular engineering program. Whatever my future yields, I hope to spend many years of meaningful education at the University of Chicago, whose assistance can help me approach my x (even if x slightly changes from time to time.)
ME bonboncase 13
Oct 11, 2015   #2

Hi there.
The language you use are absolutely very well. The first paragraph(P1) is quite intriguing and can raise the readers interest. However, I think P2 has little REAL content. You concentrated too much on your beautiful language, but you showed little FACTS and STORIES about yourself. Such as this sentence "In my young eyes, almost everything worth knowing seemed to have an ancient answer; I saw no new frontier;" if you could use an example to demonstrate your point, you will be more convincing.
The following paragraphs are good with examples. I like your ending which demonstrated Find X again.

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vangiespen [Contributor]  1003
Oct 12, 2015   #3

Mohammad, I find that your essay is quite interesting to read. However, your first paragraph is too long and does not really represent your quest to "Find X" in your life. Rather than this long winded paragraph that does not offer much of an insight into your personality, as a reviewer, I would rather have read about your own personal equation of Finding X. What to you is the formula for "Finding X"? What is the hypothetical outcome of this equation?

From there, the proceeding paragraphs should go on to explain how you plan to solve the equation. What is the formula involved in your theory? The response to it being the academic search that led you to the doors of UChicago. Now, having potentially solved a part of the equation, you should expand the formula to show how your involvement with the academic community of UChicago will help you resolve the equation and finally "Find X".

The last paragraph of your essay is highly effective in my opinion. It shares enough information about your future plans and how you feel your computation for finding X can still be adjusted to meet new parameters as they occur in your life. This has the potential to be a very insightful essay. Right now, all you have to do is make sure that your first 2 paragraphs shed light on your quest to "Find X" in your life and how UChicago can help you do that.
justivy03 [Contributor]  225
Oct 13, 2015   #4

Mohammad, your essay is such a good read, you were able to mix two worlds together, the "X" as a representation of life's mysteries and the "X" that inspired you to move forward and lead the way to your dreams.

However, as I read the first paragraph, I got confused as to were the essay is leading to, but hey, it was not long that I realize that you are making or gaining representation from the letter "X", it is indeed a crisscross pattern, just like life as a whole it's a pattern of never ending confusion, adventure and rewards.

The fact that you elaborately wrote the experiences you have in life in a very interesting manner, drive a lot of readers to your essay.
When it comes to the justification of the prompt, I believe you have a strong shot with this essay, I just hope that you can eliminate some of the unnecessary information on the essay as it is quiet a long read especially for the admissions officer, don't get me wrong, all the information are important, but there's a difference between important and pertinent information that will back up your essay or application, to that of informations that are add ons to be as detailed as possible.

Overall, it's a well written essay and the best of luck to you.
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